my choice for New coach - Willie Davis.....

[theclipper]

That's right, now that this season is done with, it's time to think who we want for the new coach. I waited ALL year before I chimed in, so I've patiently waited. I think now everyone would FINALLY agree with me, and others, that it's painfully time for a change. Since the "rumored" new coach is not mentioned in here, like it's voldemort, I will throw in who I want. For those of you who don't know, Wille is Coach Pam's husband and top assistant. Anyone who's talked to him knows he KNOWS his stuff. Sure I realize he's not the "name" people would gush for, but we don't have the money for that. How could we throw 60-70K at a new b-ball coach with the mess this school district and city are in? Won't happen. AND PLEASE no more of the same, no offence to the assistants we currently have. Heck I'd take Marcus Parker over what we got now anyday, but I know that ain't happening. I would be more then happy to have Coach Willie be our coach! Makes sense financially, and if you've talked with him ever, the man would be golden. Feel free to criticize or agree, but if not then who's your choice? And back it up. PLLLLEEEASSSSE don't give me any malone should stay crap, that boat has sunk. Be realistic.

[jjbird18]

If that were to happen it wouldn't be for a couple years, he won't leave that team as long as there winning state titles. I would love to see that tho he deffinatly knows his stuff.

[just a fan]

That's right, now that this season is done with, it's time to think who we want for the new coach...

The boys season is done with, but the guy you mentioned has a really big game in two days to prepare for. Would it be that difficult for people to turn their attention to the girls program for a week before introducing all kinds of potential distractions for them?

[browns32]

The boys season is done with, but the guy you mentioned has a really big game in two days to prepare for. Would it be that difficult for people to turn their attention to the girls program for a week before introducing all kinds of potential distractions for them?

?????? - do you really think they care what anybody on here says? i agree with you that the girls need the focus now because they have earned it - but the boys program is every bit as important - and since the season is over - time to think about the next step there as well.

the girls team will do mck proud - tonight should be the focus tonight - and it was not good at all - not many words for it actually.

[just a fan]

?????? - do you really think they care what anybody on here says? i agree with you that the girls need the focus now because they have earned it - but the boys program is every bit as important - and since the season is over - time to think about the next step there as well.

the girls team will do mck proud - tonight should be the focus tonight - and it was not good at all - not many words for it actually.

No, I don't think anyone cares. That doesn't change the fact that a post on here can quickly turn into a rumor, or worse a false announcement, in the girls' locker room, the school's hallways or the Canton community. It's simply not fair to the girls team.

[browns32]

No, I don't think anyone cares. That doesn't change the fact that a post on here can quickly turn into a rumor, or worse a false announcement, in the girls' locker room, the school's hallways or the Canton community. It's simply not fair to the girls team.

i actually agree with that to an extent - but right now - you could set any team in ohio in front of that girls team and mck would still steamroll them. not being cocky - but thats just how good they are and how much i respect what they have done (will do).

[canton_fan]

Not sure of his basketball history as far as head coaching experience so I only know him as an assistant coach and my opinion in NO MORE ASSISTANT coaches as our head coaches! I don't care who they are!

[canton_fan]

And further more don't weaken one program to try and bail out the other program.

[Scott Caster]

That's right, now that this season is done with, it's time to think who we want for the new coach. I waited ALL year before I chimed in, so I've patiently waited. I think now everyone would FINALLY agree with me, and others, that it's painfully time for a change. Since the "rumored" new coach is not mentioned in here, like it's voldemort, I will throw in who I want. For those of you who don't know, Wille is Coach Pam's husband and top assistant. Anyone who's talked to him knows he KNOWS his stuff. Sure I realize he's not the "name" people would gush for, but we don't have the money for that. How could we throw 60-70K at a new b-ball coach with the mess this school district and city are in? Won't happen. AND PLEASE no more of the same, no offence to the assistants we currently have. Heck I'd take Marcus Parker over what we got now anyday, but I know that ain't happening. I would be more then happy to have Coach Willie be our coach! Makes sense financially, and if you've talked with him ever, the man would be golden. Feel free to criticize or agree, but if not then who's your choice? And back it up. PLLLLEEEASSSSE don't give me any malone should stay crap, that boat has sunk. Be realistic.

The girls assistant coach? This is how far expectations have sunk here that the first name you've been dying to throw out there is the assistant coach for the girls team? Willie is a great coach. We've got a GREAT thing going with Pam and Willie. Why in God's name would we want to upset the apple-cart on the girls side right now? Maybe this is a good idea if literally no decent coach can be attracted to come here. But if that's the case, then we should just give up. The war's over.

No sir. No settling. To paraphrase Charlie Sheen, I'm tired of pretending like McKinley is not special. I'm tired of pretending like McKinley is not a total freaking rock star athletic program from Mars. This program has bulldog blood and Adonis DNA!!! Get outta here with the weak argument that we can't AFFORD a better coach. Either athletics is a priority, or it isn't. Plenty of other schools that don't have 1/10th the tradition, facilities, or the resources of McKinley hire good coaches all the time. Don't tell me we have to settle. Don't tell me we have to screw up the girls team to get the boys team fixed.

Who do we hire IF the job comes open? Who knows, but I know I'd start with someone who has won a district championship or two... maybe even gotten into the final four if at all possible.

Here's who is on my list (and YES, I am shooting for the stars here - because it's freaking Canton McKinley) in no particular order, here is who I INVITE to apply:
Carl Kremer: Moeller
Mike Fuline: Jackson
Larry Taylor:
Tony Staib: Gahanna-Lincoln
Jeff Quackenbush: Newark
Jamey Collins: Dublin Coffman
Scott Aronhalt: Zanesville (I know... I know...)
Peter Pullen: Dunbar
Steve Arnold: Warren
Jason Bates: Cols. Walnut Ridge
Dave Boyce: Perrysburg
Wally Vickers: Lakota East
Maybe even Monty.

[jlp]

Bring in larry taylor

[theclipper]

"Scott Aronhalt: Zanesville (I know... I know...)"

that's who I wanted last time, I'd take him too! I agree with you Scott, Willie is MY pick, probably cause he wowed me with his knowledge and his attitude. THAT is my pick if we have to get a coach due to $$$ issues. I also would go with Larry Taylor. Even Monty. That would be a coop. But my fear is we stay in house, on same staff, with Malone taking over for waf or lab, and waf moving up... and we stick to the good ol' boys network and hire a boys asst.- no thanks. ANYONE will be an upgrade. AND I was one who gave it time, first 2 years I was Captain Excuse for this guy. So save the blame game. I really want someone who's won something somewhere!!! If we stay in house- WILLIE. If we go out and pay for a big time coach.... my requests are above. And to the genius that thinks this forum will rock the girls world, get real. I talk to the girls coach's quite often, and they would laugh at that notion. Their focus can't and won't be shaken, I'd like to see that with the boys next coach too.

[MCK21]

Randy Montgomery

[theclipper]

like^^^

[theclipper]

does is worry anyone that it's too late to revive the program? the field house has been a ghost town past 4 years, nobody is talking mck hoops... just look at this forum, a devestating loss, and it's not hopping in here like it does after a big football game... just seems different. I don't know, maybe I'm being negative, just seems to have lost a lot of luster lately. Hopefully new blood will save it. Cause let's be honest, it's pretty low right now.

[MCK21]

It is Randy Montgomery

[skot71]

It is Randy Montgomery

No Way MCK21, Randy Montgomery is an arrogant idiot and a sneak.

[tate]

If the boy's BB job does open up, coach Sonny Johnson of Garfield Heights might be a good choice if he applied. Check out the "Behind the Scenes" video: http://highschoolsports.cleveland.com/news/article/-5615102150336334809/garfield-heights-rolls-past-cleveland-heights-to-boys-district-final/

[Raymo]

Randy Montgomery

I AGREE WITH YOU,LARRY TAYLOR A CLOSE SECOND.

[badegg]

My Choice is Jack Greynolds since GlenOak opt to let him go

[Scott Caster]

More about Jason Bates of Walnut Ridge: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sp ... day-7.html

[MCK21]

Randy M is the man.

[MackDawg]

Short memories or a few of you weren't around when the job was open and Taylor was asked about the McKinley job. He said he wouldn't take the job at McKinley because it would be a laterial move coming from Jackson to McKinley. Jackson let him go and where is he now? Wherever he is if coaching? Its not as a head coach and seeing as how he didn't want the job then why would Mckinley want him now??

And Montgomery from Hoover!!? I'll just let that one slide but if McKinley ever hired him I would not cheer for McKinley until he left.

[the bottom line]

Taylor coaching JV girls at Jackson

Bring in a tough coach? Ready for there to be some kids who loudly will shop, ok whatever

I don't think our boys bball players can handle how tough WILLIE would be on them. Taylor? heck man that guy doesn't stroke any ego - will fans and parents support that? I would - I support Malone so that must make me crazy right? Fans wouldn't though some one would get benched due to attitude or grades and we would hear in the stands "my baby is gettin screwed out of his D1 ride" or am I the only one who hears that garbage?

right now something goes wrong, bad night and it is all on the coach - meanwhile kids are being bailed out of any responsibility - maybe that is the problem - constantly finding excuses when kids aren't as successful as fans expect.

You want to win when you don't have a loaded roster - get kids to buy into a system, work as hard as possible, and play team ball. How - support the coaches and hold parents accountable - that comes from a community not police or a school.

Block scheduling @ McK - kids get a lesson, they have time in class to do work with instructor present - why are kids failing due to incomplete assignments? Because they are not taking it serious and expecting things to just happen. That is what is happening at Mck - you have good teachers - kids have to want it and work hard - no one on our roster this year was that good to just show up and be better - some of those kids need to learn how to be explosive all the time - so I wonder - are these kids good students do they work hard in the classroom lets say with a B average? I dont know but what I do know is I have yet to meet a coach that isn't trying to find a way to win offensively or defensively in tournaments. what is the saying about jimmy and joe?

didnt just happen for Rueben Burrows - that kid works hard and is a quality person - but that is an individual and basketball is a team sport - Mck may have had better players than Jax but which team played a better team game? All on the coach? is a change in coaching really going to fix the problem of a down year on the roster? Maybe I just think there should be some shared responsibility to what these kids hear and what is expected from home as far as what the kids are in control.

Then again some people think I am crazy so there is the ravings of a lunatic mind for the day! Try to have a good day all!

[sloanchile]

Taylor coaching JV girls at Jackson

Bring in a tough coach? Ready for there to be some kids who loudly will shop, ok whatever

I don't think our boys bball players can handle how tough WILLIE would be on them. Taylor? heck man that guy doesn't stroke any ego - will fans and parents support that? I would - I support Malone so that must make me crazy right? Fans wouldn't though some one would get benched due to attitude or grades and we would hear in the stands "my baby is gettin screwed out of his D1 ride" or am I the only one who hears that garbage?

right now something goes wrong, bad night and it is all on the coach - meanwhile kids are being bailed out of any responsibility - maybe that is the problem - constantly finding excuses when kids aren't as successful as fans expect.

You want to win when you don't have a loaded roster - get kids to buy into a system, work as hard as possible, and play team ball. How - support the coaches and hold parents accountable - that comes from a community not police or a school.

Block scheduling @ McK - kids get a lesson, they have time in class to do work with instructor present - why are kids failing due to incomplete assignments? Because they are not taking it serious and expecting things to just happen. That is what is happening at Mck - you have good teachers - kids have to want it and work hard - no one on our roster this year was that good to just show up and be better - some of those kids need to learn how to be explosive all the time - so I wonder - are these kids good students do they work hard in the classroom lets say with a B average? I dont know but what I do know is I have yet to meet a coach that isn't trying to find a way to win offensively or defensively in tournaments. what is the saying about jimmy and joe?

didnt just happen for Rueben Burrows - that kid works hard and is a quality person - but that is an individual and basketball is a team sport - Mck may have had better players than Jax but which team played a better team game? All on the coach? is a change in coaching really going to fix the problem of a down year on the roster? Maybe I just think there should be some shared responsibility to what these kids hear and what is expected from home as far as what the kids are in control.

Then again some people think I am crazy so there is the ravings of a lunatic mind for the day! Try to have a good day all!

all of your points have parts that have some truths to them bottom line ... but THE bottom line is that this is being looked at by most as what has happened over a 5 year period, not this yr alone ...its hard to argue that the program has improved ...YES , i know there are circumstances that are not this or any other HC's fault , but something needs to happen to spark life back into this program ... there will be a group of kids competing to play on next yrs 2011-2012 of Mck Basketball .... the only change can come from someone else leading from the HC chair and seeing what they can do ....

[Bulldog81]

is a change in coaching really going to fix the problem of a down year on the roster

A DOWN year! Are you kidding me. What a bunch of garbage. We've been saddled with one of the worst coaches in the history of Mckinley basketball. After witnessing this firsthand for the last 5 years and rarely missing a game three attributes of a sam malone basketball team come to mind: PASSIVE, UNINSPIRED, and SOFT.
Please don't let anybody sell you on the idea that we just need better talent - Compete Horse Crap. I will say this; we can have all the JOHNNY 5 STAR players you want come throught this or any other program. And without the proper LEADERSHIP and the ability to MOTIVATE and instill and ATTITUDE in these kids and to "coach these kids up" It just ain't happening.
One of the good ways to evaluate a coach is to check out how the team plays defense and rebounds. Coincidentally they are both all about attitude, effort, and desire. We have consistently been out rebounded and have been lackadaisical on defense for THE LAST FIVE YEARS!
We need a coach who has head coaching experience, and had been a winner at wherever he has been.
I would prefer someone who likes a up tempo style. With a High pressure in your face all over the court defense.

[Bulldog81]

That's right, now that this season is done with, it's time to think who we want for the new coach. I waited ALL year before I chimed in, so I've patiently waited. I think now everyone would FINALLY agree with me, and others, that it's painfully time for a change. Since the "rumored" new coach is not mentioned in here, like it's voldemort, I will throw in who I want. For those of you who don't know, Wille is Coach Pam's husband and top assistant. Anyone who's talked to him knows he KNOWS his stuff. Sure I realize he's not the "name" people would gush for, but we don't have the money for that. How could we throw 60-70K at a new b-ball coach with the mess this school district and city are in? Won't happen. AND PLEASE no more of the same, no offence to the assistants we currently have. Heck I'd take Marcus Parker over what we got now anyday, but I know that ain't happening. I would be more then happy to have Coach Willie be our coach! Makes sense financially, and if you've talked with him ever, the man would be golden. Feel free to criticize or agree, but if not then who's your choice? And back it up. PLLLLEEEASSSSE don't give me any malone should stay crap, that boat has sunk. Be realistic.

The girls assistant coach? This is how far expectations have sunk here that the first name you've been dying to throw out there is the assistant coach for the girls team? Willie is a great coach. We've got a GREAT thing going with Pam and Willie. Why in God's name would we want to upset the apple-cart on the girls side right now? Maybe this is a good idea if literally no decent coach can be attracted to come here. But if that's the case, then we should just give up. The war's over.

No sir. No settling. To paraphrase Charlie Sheen, I'm tired of pretending like McKinley is not special. I'm tired of pretending like McKinley is not a total freaking rock star athletic program from Mars. This program has bulldog blood and Adonis DNA!!! Get outta here with the weak argument that we can't AFFORD a better coach. Either athletics is a priority, or it isn't. Plenty of other schools that don't have 1/10th the tradition, facilities, or the resources of McKinley hire good coaches all the time. Don't tell me we have to settle. Don't tell me we have to screw up the girls team to get the boys team fixed.

Who do we hire IF the job comes open? Who knows, but I know I'd start with someone who has won a district championship or two... maybe even gotten into the final four if at all possible.

Here's who is on my list (and YES, I am shooting for the stars here - because it's freaking Canton McKinley) in no particular order, here is who I INVITE to apply:
Carl Kremer: Moeller
Mike Fuline: Jackson
Larry Taylor:
Tony Staib: Gahanna-Lincoln
Jeff Quackenbush: Newark
Jamey Collins: Dublin Coffman
Scott Aronhalt: Zanesville (I know... I know...)
Peter Pullen: Dunbar
Steve Arnold: Warren
Jason Bates: Cols. Walnut Ridge
Dave Boyce: Perrysburg
Wally Vickers: Lakota East
Maybe even Monty.

Great post Scott. Clipper i admire that your thinking outside the box here, but please no more career assistants.
My feeling is McK is not the place to begin your career as a head coach. But rather a place where you get hired after you already established a track record of succes.

[theclipper]

is a change in coaching really going to fix the problem of a down year on the roster

A DOWN year! Are you kidding me. What a bunch of garbage. We've been saddled with one of the worst coaches in the history of Mckinley basketball. After witnessing this firsthand for the last 5 years and rarely missing a game three attributes of a sam malone basketball team come to mind: PASSIVE, UNINSPIRED, and SOFT.
Please don't let anybody sell you on the idea that we just need better talent - Compete Horse Crap. I will say this; we can have all the JOHNNY 5 STAR players you want come throught this or any other program. And without the proper LEADERSHIP and the ability to MOTIVATE and instill and ATTITUDE in these kids and to "coach these kids up" It just ain't happening.
One of the good ways to evaluate a coach is to check out how the team plays defense and rebounds. Coincidentally they are both all about attitude, effort, and desire. We have consistently been out rebounded and have been lackadaisical on defense for THE LAST FIVE YEARS!
We need a coach who has head coaching experience, and had been a winner at wherever he has been.
I would prefer someone who likes a up tempo style. With a High pressure in your face all over the court defense.

^^^^^^^
great post! took words out of my mouth- Do we really think Monty would want to come here, I'd love it. Taylor wouldn't be bad either. I want someone who won't take crap from kids, parents, or fans! If we only have 5 kids who will have attitude then I'll take it.

[BIGTDOG91]

After what Montgomery did a few years back to one of our fans I would not renew my season tickets if he were hired as the coach, and as for the goof from Glen oak I wouldn't renew my season tickets if he were hired either. Just my 2 cents! Larry Taylor or Kramer from Massillon I've heard he was about done over there, bring him here with real players and support and I bet he would preform!

[pappydawg]

I will take anyone in the world not named GREG MALONE. That includes man, child, woman, or animal. YES ANIMAL.

[just a fan]

I will take anyone in the world not named GREG MALONE. That includes man, chile, woman, or animal. YES ANIMAL.

So, you plan to apply should the position be posted?

[Scott Caster]

Is Rupert still alive?

If he is, CCS would force him to go to Timken.

[David Stevenson]

Has the head coach vacated his position? Has CCS given him the boot?
Apples in front of the cart.

[Scott Caster]

Apples in front of the cart.

I think you're mixing your metaphors.

[browns32]

Has the head coach vacated his position? Has CCS given him the boot?
Apples in front of the cart.

i think people are hoping for a choice that should be obvious. there is no way anyone could look at the performance this year and reasonably justify retaining the status quo - which has not even been remotely successful.

people talk about not renewing if certain individuals come here - but if the status quo is kept you may have less then 100 people at the fieldhouse for games in the future. and as it stands right now - you can mark the jackson game down as an automatic loss on the schedule.

trying the same thing over and over with absolutely no results is insanity - or at least i thought so.

trap door should have probably been pulled back in 2008.

[PupFan1]

Is Rupert still alive?

If he is, CCS would force him to go to Timken.